Comments on: The Word of Knowledge http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/ pursuing faithfulness to the Word of God and fullness of the Spirit of God Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:08:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: nancy bisset http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-9193 nancy bisset Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:36:53 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-9193 Hi Brilliant ones!!! Hope someone can answer me. I was a sheeple-turned to awakening. : -) There was a man that came up to me Monday night. He met me at the church I am studing how we were controlled in Religion. He knew the man that I was dating. I told this man that my friend had cancer and was in another City getting a specialist to do some studies and possibly surgery. All of a sudden he says, "I just had a word of knowledge for you about Antoine and the words he spoke to you ( He says, "It is not a "word of Knowledge of encouragement, oh what do I want to say??? A_______________"he used a word that I cannot remember. Here is the thought he shared: " You are to cherish the words Antoine gave to you. They were very special and Never forget them. I do not know what kind of a relationship you had but the words he spoke to you were given to help you do what you must." Now this man had NO idea that Antoine spoke many prophicies that came true and also still are on the way of coming to fruition. NO WAY. If someone could give me the word-of-knowledge "TYPE" he gave me, PLEASE give it to me. I want to include this wonderful thing in my book I am editing. Thanks so much and keep up the good work of sharing knowledge. I am learning so much it is such an exciting time to e alive.Peace and Love. Nancy Bisset :-) Hi Brilliant ones!!! Hope someone can answer me. I was a sheeple-turned to awakening. : -) There was a man that came up to me Monday night. He met me at the church I am studing how we were controlled in Religion. He knew the man that I was dating. I told this man that my friend had cancer and was in another City getting a specialist to do some studies and possibly surgery. All of a sudden he says, “I just had a word of knowledge for you about Antoine and the words he spoke to you ( He says, “It is not a “word of Knowledge of encouragement, oh what do I want to say??? A_______________”he used a word that I cannot remember. Here is the thought he shared: ” You are to cherish the words Antoine gave to you. They were very special and Never forget them. I do not know what kind of a relationship you had but the words he spoke to you were given to help you do what you must.” Now this man had NO idea that Antoine spoke many prophicies that came true and also still are on the way of coming to fruition. NO WAY. If someone could give me the word-of-knowledge “TYPE” he gave me, PLEASE give it to me. I want to include this wonderful thing in my book I am editing. Thanks so much and keep up the good work of sharing knowledge. I am learning so much it is such an exciting time to e alive.Peace and Love. Nancy Bisset :-)

]]> By: David Reid http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-2449 David Reid Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:03:32 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-2449 Sorry ims till studying theology I myself has seen many gentiles come to faith, through the use of this gift. I really feel this is a major gift that God uses for reaping souls in the kingdom. In my experince the word of knoweldge can either be very precise including a name, illness or street address other times the spirit may give far elss detail. Either way my heart is just to see people eagerly desire this so that more come into the kingdom and more are healed! Sorry

ims till studying theology I myself has seen many gentiles come to faith, through the use of this gift. I really feel this is a major gift that God uses for reaping souls in the kingdom.
In my experince the word of knoweldge can either be very precise including a name, illness or street address other times the spirit may give far elss detail.
Either way my heart is just to see people eagerly desire this so that more come into the kingdom and more are healed!

]]> By: Clifford Brockway http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-368 Clifford Brockway Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:21:23 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-368 Dennis Cramer (denniscramer.com) is very specific about it. It has to do with past or current events or conditions that one receives from God about an individual or even a church. Different people receive the word by different senses. Visual, hearing, sensing it or smelling it. I volunteer time in a healing ministry (healingrooms.com). Our local group is from 7 denominations and seven churches. When someone comes in for healing, we ask Jesus to reveal something about that person. I receive word of knowledge visually. If I see it, then I know that the Lord will release a healing on that person when I lay hands on him. I also receive prophetic word about a person visually. Dennis Cramer (denniscramer.com) is very specific about it. It has to do with past or current events or conditions that one receives from God about an individual or even a church. Different people receive the word by different senses. Visual, hearing, sensing it or smelling it.
I volunteer time in a healing ministry (healingrooms.com). Our local group is from 7 denominations and seven churches.
When someone comes in for healing, we ask Jesus to reveal something about that person. I receive word of knowledge visually. If I see it, then I know that the Lord will release a healing on that person when I lay hands on him. I also receive prophetic word about a person visually.

]]> By: Peter Smythe http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-512 Peter Smythe Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:22:51 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-512 Mark, I am not aware of any scriptural evidence that the "word" of knowledge means theological knowledge. Such a definition defies other scripture which states that God is no respecter of persons and would allow one to boast of "secret" knowledge. The Word demonstrates to us, by examples, that the word of knowledge is confined to present facts known to God and revealed to those He chooses. Mark, I am not aware of any scriptural evidence that the “word” of knowledge means theological knowledge. Such a definition defies other scripture which states that God is no respecter of persons and would allow one to boast of “secret” knowledge.

The Word demonstrates to us, by examples, that the word of knowledge is confined to present facts known to God and revealed to those He chooses.

]]> By: Mark Heath http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-511 Mark Heath Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:24:35 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-511 Hi Jon, I actually think that there is a spontaneous element to the "word of knowledge" - it is a Spirit inspired piece of 'theological' knowledge that is brought in a meeting and comes with particular power. It is not preaching, although it could occur within a sermon. Someone with the gift of "knowledge" isn't automatically bringing a "word of knowledge" whenever they speak - they need to be sensitive to the promptings of the Spirit. Without this, bringing such "knowledge" is in danger of just being a way to show off superior intellect and learning. And yes, you are right that being "open" is more important than correctly labelling things. I just think that even charismatics need to have their horizons expanded sometimes as to the diverse ways in which the Spirit can speak. BTW Nice blog. KUTGW Hi Jon,

I actually think that there is a spontaneous element to the “word of knowledge” – it is a Spirit inspired piece of ‘theological’ knowledge that is brought in a meeting and comes with particular power. It is not preaching, although it could occur within a sermon. Someone with the gift of “knowledge” isn’t automatically bringing a “word of knowledge” whenever they speak – they need to be sensitive to the promptings of the Spirit. Without this, bringing such “knowledge” is in danger of just being a way to show off superior intellect and learning.

And yes, you are right that being “open” is more important than correctly labelling things. I just think that even charismatics need to have their horizons expanded sometimes as to the diverse ways in which the Spirit can speak.

BTW Nice blog. KUTGW

]]> By: Jon Sidnell http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-510 Jon Sidnell Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:29:25 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-510 The only issue I have with Driscoll/Grudem/Storms' assessment of the nature of this gift is that they make the mistake Peter Smythe picks up on in #2.2. Paul doesn't say "to another the gift of knowledge", he says "to another the word of knowledge". This has always seemed to me to be referring to a fragmentary fact appropriate to the moment being communicated, rather than the ability/passion to research and accumulate lots of stored knowledge and learning. I guess the gift could be the ability to take the learnt knowledge and apply it powerfully to a situation, but that strikes me more as the realm of the teaching/pastoring gift. None of this is to say anything against the "googlers for Jesus". I'm one of them, and believe that passion to be a God-given attribute of my personality! It should probably be said that I'm not hugely worried about what we call things though. Whether an immediate revelation of a fact is called "word of knowledge" or is a manifestation of prophecy is secondary to being open to them actually happening! The only issue I have with Driscoll/Grudem/Storms’ assessment of the nature of this gift is that they make the mistake Peter Smythe picks up on in #2.2. Paul doesn’t say “to another the gift of knowledge”, he says “to another the word of knowledge”.

This has always seemed to me to be referring to a fragmentary fact appropriate to the moment being communicated, rather than the ability/passion to research and accumulate lots of stored knowledge and learning. I guess the gift could be the ability to take the learnt knowledge and apply it powerfully to a situation, but that strikes me more as the realm of the teaching/pastoring gift.

None of this is to say anything against the “googlers for Jesus”. I’m one of them, and believe that passion to be a God-given attribute of my personality!

It should probably be said that I’m not hugely worried about what we call things though. Whether an immediate revelation of a fact is called “word of knowledge” or is a manifestation of prophecy is secondary to being open to them actually happening!

]]> By: Peter Smythe http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-507 Peter Smythe Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:43:32 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-507 I wanted to provide some clarification to my previous posts. While the gifts listed in I Corinthians 12 are as the Spirit wills, tongues concomitant with the "upon" Baptism of the Holy Ghost is for every believer. Hence, Paul says in I Corinthians 14 that he "wills" to speak in tongues. That is because he is speaking about the Baptism. The gift of tongues (and interpretation) is for the edification of the church. As for the prophecy seminars, I'd rather eat a bar of soap. I wanted to provide some clarification to my previous posts. While the gifts listed in I Corinthians 12 are as the Spirit wills, tongues concomitant with the “upon” Baptism of the Holy Ghost is for every believer. Hence, Paul says in I Corinthians 14 that he “wills” to speak in tongues. That is because he is speaking about the Baptism. The gift of tongues (and interpretation) is for the edification of the church.

As for the prophecy seminars, I’d rather eat a bar of soap.

]]> By: Dan http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-506 Dan Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:51:07 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-506 Yes I'm familiar with those seminars on prophecy too!! The question then surely is how do we "know" when an unction has come from the Spirit to ... prophecy, to speak in an unknown tongue, to interpret a tongue or using your argument to speak forth in a word of knowledge? Would that utterance in a word of knowledge be like preaching a sermon knowing the power of God upon you? As opposed to knowing that you had done your utmost in the study and on your knees before hand and spoke what you had prepared? Would you say, for example, that your sermon you preached at KCC was you using the word of knowledge??! ;) I think you are absolutely right about the need for seeing the Spirit's sovereignity. While the Charismatic Movement has done much good in restoring the gifts and experience of the Spirit back to the church, maybe we have been guilty in areas of straying into flesh. Maybe the best way to combat that danger is to ask the same question for each gift that we are gifted with in our church. If tongues, how do we "know" that the tongue is from the Spirit? If prophecy, how do we "know" and so on?! I'm rambling ... time for me to shut up! :) But I hope my point makes sense. Yes I’m familiar with those seminars on prophecy too!! The question then surely is how do we “know” when an unction has come from the Spirit to … prophecy, to speak in an unknown tongue, to interpret a tongue or using your argument to speak forth in a word of knowledge?

Would that utterance in a word of knowledge be like preaching a sermon knowing the power of God upon you? As opposed to knowing that you had done your utmost in the study and on your knees before hand and spoke what you had prepared?

Would you say, for example, that your sermon you preached at KCC was you using the word of knowledge??! ;)

I think you are absolutely right about the need for seeing the Spirit’s sovereignity. While the Charismatic Movement has done much good in restoring the gifts and experience of the Spirit back to the church, maybe we have been guilty in areas of straying into flesh.

Maybe the best way to combat that danger is to ask the same question for each gift that we are gifted with in our church. If tongues, how do we “know” that the tongue is from the Spirit? If prophecy, how do we “know” and so on?!

I’m rambling … time for me to shut up! :) But I hope my point makes sense.

]]> By: Mark Heath http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Mark Heath Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:04:59 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-502 Interesting observation Dan. It is true that the gifts/manifestations listed in 1 Cor 12:7-10 could all be interpreted as "one-offs" where the Spirit enables a person to use a gift on that occasion. Of course, some people may often receive the same type of gift. Even in the "theological knowledge" interpretation of "word of knowledge" we have been discussing I would say that the Spirit can stir up those who have such knowledge to share a word in season. Just like the "word of wisdom" - the wisdom that is shared may well be something that the person who shares it already knew was a good idea - but the Spirit prompted them to bring it and apply it on this occasion. Other times, people with knowledge / wisdom may not be led by the Spirit to weigh in with what they know all the time (lest they dominate meetings with their gift - just like some prophets / tongues speakers seemed to be doing). Also, in 1 Cor 12:28-30, Paul includes in these "one-off" gifts with "calling" gifts - apostle, prophet, teacher; which suggests to me accepts that some people make regular use of a particular gift, while others might never or only on occasion use it. I would say that we do need to emphasise the Spirit's sovereignty in giving gifts more than we do. I have been in seminars that 'teach' prophecy by telling people just to say what comes into their heads. That seems to take the initiative away from the Spirit, something that Paul doesn't want to do (1 Cor 12:11). Interesting observation Dan. It is true that the gifts/manifestations listed in 1 Cor 12:7-10 could all be interpreted as “one-offs” where the Spirit enables a person to use a gift on that occasion. Of course, some people may often receive the same type of gift. Even in the “theological knowledge” interpretation of “word of knowledge” we have been discussing I would say that the Spirit can stir up those who have such knowledge to share a word in season. Just like the “word of wisdom” – the wisdom that is shared may well be something that the person who shares it already knew was a good idea – but the Spirit prompted them to bring it and apply it on this occasion. Other times, people with knowledge / wisdom may not be led by the Spirit to weigh in with what they know all the time (lest they dominate meetings with their gift – just like some prophets / tongues speakers seemed to be doing).

Also, in 1 Cor 12:28-30, Paul includes in these “one-off” gifts with “calling” gifts – apostle, prophet, teacher; which suggests to me accepts that some people make regular use of a particular gift, while others might never or only on occasion use it.

I would say that we do need to emphasise the Spirit’s sovereignty in giving gifts more than we do. I have been in seminars that ‘teach’ prophecy by telling people just to say what comes into their heads. That seems to take the initiative away from the Spirit, something that Paul doesn’t want to do (1 Cor 12:11).

]]> By: Dan http://www.wordandspirit.co.uk/blog/2006/08/11/the-word-of-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-501 Dan Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:39:35 +0000 http://markandsteph.plushost.co.uk/blog/?p=208#comment-501 I do think Peter has an important point that is something Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones picked up upon. The list of supernatural gifts in those passages are things that the Holy Spirit gives for occasions. Lloyd-Jones argued that noone can speak in tongues at will and if they think they do, it is probably false whereas the Holy Spirit may indeed give "gifts" of tongues for occasions when one is moved deeply in prayer and runs out of their own vocabulary. So can we exclude the word of knowledge as a teaching gift from that? Or would we be arguing that every time the preacher comes up to speak they are requiring and needing a "word of knowledge" from the Spirit of God? And therefore are they assuming it is something they can use at will? I do think Peter has an important point that is something Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones picked up upon. The list of supernatural gifts in those passages are things that the Holy Spirit gives for occasions. Lloyd-Jones argued that noone can speak in tongues at will and if they think they do, it is probably false whereas the Holy Spirit may indeed give “gifts” of tongues for occasions when one is moved deeply in prayer and runs out of their own vocabulary.

So can we exclude the word of knowledge as a teaching gift from that? Or would we be arguing that every time the preacher comes up to speak they are requiring and needing a “word of knowledge” from the Spirit of God? And therefore are they assuming it is something they can use at will?

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